Hi, I’m building a small system for live performance and I’m considering the meta module as a kind of mixer-effect preset system, I was wondering if you think it’s suitable for this, I have the ability to loop the output outside of my system while switching patches, I will run a clock into it with a reset every 4 bars or so
do you already have a eurorack rig?
generally, yes, its very good for a small system, esp I think for effects if you want flexibility and also modulation possibilities.
one nice aspect of the MM, is before you purchase you can check what vcv modules are available for it, and test them out on your desktop (vcv) to see if they do what you would like. see https://metamodule.info esp Module Finder, very useful to see module cpu load.
personally, I think the MM major strengths are number of modules available, and the quantity of IO it has.
note: all IO is modular level. if you have other gear using line level, some may require attenuation/gain to adapt, either in rack or outside.
if you want to use for performance the number of pots on the module might be ‘limiting’ depending on your needs.
however, MM midi implementation is good, so I love using alongside a dedicated midi controller.
(MM expanders are another possibility… but adds to HP/expense)
overall, powerful in a small HP footprint, but its small HP/screen has a few disadvantages but these can be worked around via midi controllers.
Id recommend playing with desktop vcv first, and seeing if you enjoy the patching experience, and like the modules.
Thanks, yes I have a humongous eurorack system , so I need to build a small portable case that packs enough punch, and some patches in different modules (PAM, MCOmk2, etc) to go along with the Metamodule, if I decide to get it, that I can switch between.
Sounds good, I think I will be patching in VCV which I’ve already used a bit
I’m also asking myself this question as I’m considering giving up my ES-9 iPad combo for mixing.
Is it realistic to achieve the same sound quality for the individual tracks?
@offthesky and others had also considered the below as something that could really enhance live performance. It seemed doable according to Dan.. so hopefully it would be something we see coming.
Load & autoplay patches via midi - Feature Requests - MetaModule Forum
To concretize this, I currently have 6 drum tracks
Kick (Saturation),
Bass,
HiHat (Reverb, Delay),
Ride (Reverb),
Percussion 1 (Reverb, Delay),
Percussion 2 (Reverb, Delay),
2 Synth tracks (Reverb, Delay, Compression)
Master track (Saturation, EQ, Effect, Reverb, Compression)
Furthermore, individual tracks are sidechained.
Is this possible with the CPU?
Has anyone ever tested this?
depends a lot on how exactly you implement this.
are you just doing the fx for the percussion tracks, or using a sampler/drum synth on the MM.
are these separate reverbs on each track? how long?
reverbs vary alot, in character/flavour - but also some can be cpu intensive, some not so much.
as I mentioned above, the best approach is for you to use module finder to determine modules you want to use, then mock it up within VCV desktop.
module finder will also give you a reasonable approximation for the cpu load.
I would say, leave a bit of headroom on cpu when you do this, so that you can change things up as you need.
you could even then share the patch you have in mind, and get someone to run it on their MM.
the advantage of this approach, is not only will it give you a better feel of whats possible (before purchase), but also a feeling for the workflow etc.
also, you’ll have built valuable experience for when you do finally get a MM.
or you might learn that its not a workflow that is for you.
so nothing to lose
Thank you very much, that’s a good approach.
I would now like to hear from others whether any experience has already been gained here.
I use the Assimil8or and Plaits.
bare in mind MM has 6 audio in… so you are not going to get 8 channels in (6 drum + 2 mono synth), without pre-mixing some, or creating some of this internally (so extra cpu load)
as for my experience,
I don’t use MM for ‘just’ mixing,
partly because I’ve done this before on other similar modules (SSP, I wrote a performance mixer module for it ), and found I missed the tactile control .
for me, personally, the MM the screen would be too small for vu-meters etc.
if you are planning on 6 independent reverbs + 2 compressors, I think you’ll likely have to compromise … either lower quality reverbs, using sub groups or lower sample rate/larger buffers.
so one way or another, it will be ‘possible’ to achieve what you want, but will it have the audio results you want - that’ll depend on your taste / ears
honestly, I found something like AUM on a (modern) iPad was a bit more focused / useable / powerful.
I personally found things like the MM/SSP excel when you need something more non-conventional e.g. modulation that you don’t get with mixers etc.
that said, the MM form factor (being so small) I can see is extremely convenient in some use-cases.
edit: I should have pointed out, that there is an (optional) audio expander module to give additional IO, so you could have your 8-10 channel input.
I think you’re right. I’m probably better off with the iPad. I’ll just have to see if I can swap the ES-9 for something else, as the signal bleeding really annoys me.
It would be nice to have everything in one case.
As we say in Germany ‘ You have to die one death’.
I use it in all of my patches. I don’t play live but i live record my songs so i could if I wanted to and I think the meta is a must have module for any setup because it is the ultimate utility module. it’s amazing to use for switching and other things for live playing which i often use it for.