Not sure if it’s been asked here before, but I’m curious if there’s been any attempt to add a metamodule to miRack like with vcv rack. I don’t really use a computer ever but I have an iPad and it would be really great to be able to port out my racks from my iPad.
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I second this big time ( though I know the hoohaar around Belt/miRack might be a reason to be cautious) .. I rarely open my Surface pro 3 for anything other than file management.. and was dismayed to find it can’t run VcV .. can’t really justify an up to date windows machine for just VcV ( or CAN I ??? ) 
Oh dang! Just found a Reddit thread about it. That’s pretty shitty.
i am able to open a mirack patch (i just tried the basic krell demo patch) in vcv on win 11. although some wirings were messed up and some modules in mirack didn’t exist in vcv rack 2. you might have to slightly rebuild the patches. maybe if you just used metamodule only modules(audible, bog?) in mirack patches this could maybe work ok? definitely requires further tests here.
asside: i remember reading somewhere in the vcv forum andrew stating he wasn’t ever going to port vcv over to ios - which is too bad because vcv rack 2 on ios would have been amazing! but even still, too bad the mirack “pronvit” guy couldn’t just have asked andrew in the very beginning when he was porting rack v1 to ios (and wanting to charge for it, i think that was the real crux of the beef), had they worked it out, we could have probably seen v2 on ios at this point. and now mirack seems a little outdated(still uses v1)/neglected. although still quite powerful i guess!
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I have gotten VCV running under a chromebook+ using the linux compatibility layer. Was even able to transfer patches to the MM
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update: created a custom patch in miirack using only bog and audible modules, loaded it into rack 2 and no cables were present, but all knobs were set just as they were in mirack. then tried loading the mirack patch into an older version of vcv (.6) and all the cables are just as they were in mirack, everything sounded ok. then saved from vcv .6 and loaded that into rack 2 and all the cables are present and the patch sounded just as it does in mirack.
so it seems that’s maybe the only way to make it work from mirack to mm. not sure if it’s worth it with all those extra steps, but maybe for some it could be. i personally still enjoy working in mirack on the ipad from time to time.
thats good to know vcv 2 runs ok via crostini! i was able to get cardinal vcv vst running ok via reaper inside crostini/chromebook.. its been a while since messing with it, but i might try to revisit to see if i can get rack pro vst running there also
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Does windows 8 have a Linux compatibility layer? I’m clueless on that.
The horses pulling in each direction are
A) I am new new new to vcv ( apart from its miRack iteration) and only need it for MM.
B) I am quite a number of years from using PCs for anything & never used Mac laptops have been iPad only for production for a decade easily. that said I DO have to open up the Surface pro to make Nord G1 patches and often to flash firmwares of various things so it isn’t going in the bin yet!
This seems like a good bit of research … so at least it’s ‘doable’ of you accidentally make a killer patch in MiRack and need it in MM , all the Mutable modules are there..
When I first got MM I made a list of all the MiRack stuff that is in MM ..
I’ve not investigated them all fully but this is my cursory list
BIDOO
HeTrick
21hz
Audible instruments
Befaco (some , not noise plethora)
BOGAUDIO
E-series Cloud Generator
Geodesics
JW
mscHack
MSM
Squinty labs : (some aprox 19 of 32 in MiRack)
STELLARE : Turing machine
SV modular - drum kit & seq
Valley
VoxGlitch (about half of the 30 )
vcv is available for windows as well so you’re in luck there! no need to mess with linux. although i’ve never used win 8, quick search shows it “should” work ok?
quite a decent list! ty for putting that together. even with only those sets of modules, one could still create some amazing patches
Man, I mean, it’s cool that there’s a way to do it, I just wish it wasn’t such a rube goldberg way. Plus, it still doesn’t really help because I don’t have a computer. Like someone else said, I’ve been iPad exclusively for a long time.
Yeah, I don’t know what it is , maybe the graphics card on early surface pro ( it’s only a 3 )??
It loads up BUT it’s waaaay too flakey to get anywhere with..
I should try and get my partner to get a new laptop for work , and the. Sneak vcv on there 
Oh, for sure … and then you get them into MM and have them interacting with all yr Make Noise Modules ( ahem… cough… AND 4ms modules ) … madness is inevitable..
Here’s a thing that I bet would not be hard to build: a web app that knows about the modules available for MetaModule, that knows each module’s parameters and in/outs, that allows you to connect them into patches, and that exports those patches as .yml files that could be loaded on MetaModule.
In other words, it would do everything you could do in VCV Rack except the actual DSP — the modules in the web app wouldn’t produce any audio or CV. You could use a touch-friendly interface that would work well on an iPad or even a phone.
If I was eager to develop MetaModule patches on an iPad, I’d work on building that with Claude Code.
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its interesting you mention that, cardinal vcv has a ‘live’ web version:
i was able to get some sounds out of it via safari on my iphone but i haven’t tried other browsers such as chrome
yeah, cardinals approach is the ‘right one’, use the vcv code base to load and export.
trying to load and convert a vcv patch without using vcv code base is fraught with issues, particularly patch and module versioning, and the fact you need to ‘host’ a module to inspect the meta data.
sure, you could ‘do it’, but its non-trivial.
can confirm, cardinal web works ok in chrome, albeit the audio is a bit glitchy. setting engine-buffer up to 16384 helped
patches don’t save online afaik, but you can download/import them no problem
noticing the following modules available in cardinal that are also for MM. although i don’t know how up to date they are(some of them no doubt, not up to date since falktx has to manually add in updates, afaik):
21hz
Audible instruments
Almagamated Harmonics
Autinn
Befaco
BIDOO
BOGAUDIO
chowdsp
cvfunk
dbiz
E-series Cloud Generator
fehler fabrik
HeTrick
JW
kocmoc
mockba
mscHack
MSM
nonlinear circuits
pathset
rebeltech
saphire
scanner darkly
sonus dept
starling via
Valley
VCV
Venom
VoxGlitch
still a formidable collection right there! if they wanted one could at least workshop via cardinal/web and export-> import into vcv2 to add the 4ms hub module. hoping we’ll see 4ms added to cardinal at some point to make it much more easy/direct to mm.
how does cardinal decide what plugins to ‘host’?
e.g. I notice they dont have any of the 4ms modules
in theory if you wanted to do this for MM conversion only,
you could create a fork of vcv (and 4ms hub) , which could load patches, add the 4ms hub, then force the hub to export as a yml.
you could run that on a pretty low powered server, as you are not interested in the audio… just using the vcv and 4ms code to to the patch conversion.
its still a pain that you have to have access to all vcv modules you want to convert, as that list is not static -but a bit more code, and you could automate that too.
but yeah, a lot of effort to support probably not that many users.
basically comes down to license type and falktx’s preference.. lots of discussion about it here:
at one point i noticed they attempted to add the 4ms line in there but the build was failing for some reason. hoping he tries again with that down the road. i have a feeling he’s run out of steam a bit on the project.
ah, yeah, I see they use the same approach as miRack (and MM simulator) where they compile in modules statically.
ouch, yeah, whilst thats ‘easier’ it creates a bit of a maintenance nightmare.
I can see that’d get tedious after a while 
Im surprised they dont run on a ‘compatible server’, and just pulls the vcv module binaries. perhaps, vcv has something in the ToS which prevents this.