Metamodule + Listen Four Gating Low Signals

Hi, I am using my Metamodule for the first time. I sending audio from my Octatrack into Audio/CV channels 1&2. My VCV patch is only the Listen Four 4MS module as a mixer.

However when the signal I’m sending gets quieter the Metamodule seems to apply a gate and the audio signal gets choppy and/or disappears until it is loud again. I noticed a switch on the Listen Four that is Mod/Line and I originally had it set on Line. When I changed it to Mod the signal doesn’t gate nearly as much but it still gates with the Mod setting.

Thanks

the line/mod switch is just an attenuation.
I double checked this in the code , we can see it here:

		//-16.2dB attenuation in line mode
		if(getState<OutputLevelSwitch>() == Toggle2posHoriz::State_t::RIGHT) {
			outputLeft *= 0.155f;
			outputRight *= 0.155f;
		}

its just to ‘notionally’ get it to line level, vs modular level - doesn’t mean much in a software environment tbh.

also the module does not do any gating as such…
however, two things could be occurring

a) DC offset
as its designed as an output module, its has a DC blocker. which means any DC offset will be removed (by a filter) from the signal, this can naturally attenuate a signal - the more the offset, the more the attenuation – this possibly might be what you are hearing?!
DC offsets are pretty common in modular, esp in digital modules - you can use an offset on the signal if necessary.

b) noise gating on Octatrack?
have you got the noise gate set on audio input on the OT?
using the ‘attenuated’ signal would make this ‘worst’, as generally you have a quieter signal - so S/N ratio is worst.

what you can try is:

a) Use a Scope
you can use a scope on the MM to look at the signal, in particular.
do you see the ‘gating’ in the signal, if not, then its happening somewhere in your hardware setup.
do you see an offset? if so you can try to compensate for the offset.

b) don’t use mod/line switch
as above, there is really no need in a software environment.
instead what I do is have a gain/attenuator module ( * ) on the MM at the end of the chain.
you can then use this for gain staging, to try to get the signal as ‘hot’ as possible without saturation. you want higher S/N ratio.

( * ) actually, in my main setup, I use a hardware output module, so I do it there instead.
mainly, because, it has a headphone jack, and separate controls for main out and headphone out.

c) turn the noise gate off (reduce its level) on the OT
actually this is not necessary if you have gain staging correctly done in (b), unless your signal has a lot of dynamics.
I have my gate set very low (often off) on OT, as I use expressive (mpe) controllers, and find the gate on the OT way too harsh/abrupt.
but its a compromise, as I find eurorack inevitably adds some noise, so its a necessary evil/compromise.

Hi thanks for your reply!

I did some troubleshooting last night - it’s definitely nothing to do with the Octatrack as I bypassed the Metamodule and it was working fine.

I think the problem lies in using the Listen Four as a mixer.

I just randomly chose another mixer in Metamodule plugins and it didn’t do this gating so a good workaround. Wouldn’t say this problem is “solved” because I don’t see why I shouldn’t be able to use the Listen Four as a mixer but it’s not an issue for me if I can use another mixer module.

This issue still seems to be plaguing me - now in a different form. My patch is super simple it’s Nanomodules Performance Mixer → 4MS DLD → Out and that’s it!

Everything works well and as expected with just the Nanomodules Perf Mixer and not routed through the DLD but as soon as I add the DLD I get the gating of low amplitudes.

A lot of the reason I even got the Metamodule was to use the DLD… is there anyway around this?

i believe the dld has a special option to turn off gating (automute i think its called), you might check the options for it. i need to double check myself when i’m around my mm tomorrow

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Seems like that could be it…

Auto Mute:
Tap Reverse A to toggle Auto Mute on and off. When the light is on, Auto Mute is enabled.
Auto Mute is a noise gate that silences the input when a signal less than 5mVpp is detected on any input. This prevents
runaway feedback if Feedback is turned up and the DLD is allowed to run for a long time with no input signal. In most cases,
it is not necessary to turn off the Auto-mute, since a 5mVpp signal is extremely quiet. Starting in firmware v5, when Auto-mute
automatically engages and disengages, there is a 1.0ms attack and decay time

I’m not sure how to “tap” the reverse button on Metamodule though… trying to turn it off now

Okay, I figured it out (it was in a settings menu for the DLD module) and disabled both the auto-mute and soft clipping. The signal improved greatly but there is STILL some gating which definitely effects the quality more than what I would deem acceptable.

I’m wondering if I can fashion my own dry/wet mix with other modules so when dry it just plays right through the mixer. I am placing this delay on my mixed-down final output so it’s important I have a super clean signal when dry.

@danngreen might have better insight i to what’s going on with the signal cutting out or gating. the dld is indeed a great beast!

I turned up the samples on my Octatrack and also turned the Performance Mixer output to Max and that helped. I still notice a degrade in quality though when Mix knob is set all the way to dry.