Is there anything similar to the Panharmonium physical nodule?

It costs about the same as metamodule and isn’t easily available but eas a great recommendation. So i was wondering if the metamodule had something similar

not that I’m aware of,
theres not really a VCV rack module (desktop) thats very close either.

probably the closest, you’ll get is a granular module.. id not say similar, but can in some use cases be ‘related’.


would it be possible?

(Ive been down this rabbit hole, so have some background of what I found)

never say never, but frankly it’d be tricky…

esp real time analysis, though the Panharmonium has limitations in this area…

if you use fft analysis, Im not sure there is an fft library for 4ms, and even then this is computationally expensive.

I tried this on the Percussa SSP (which has more cores etc), and I had an optimised FFT library, and it wasn’t great, so put it on the backburner.
though, Ive been considering other approaches with offline analysis that could work fine.

actually, thinking about it, my early experiments with the SSP were using RNBO, this in theory should work on the MM too! :thinking: (though it was really heavy cpu load)

one possibility that could make this work, would be to do what Haken did with Loris,
and that is to do the analysis on the desktop, then resynthesis within the module.
others have done this too…

Its not as ‘immediate’, and not real time, but because you have so much more computational power, the results of the analysis can be fantastic, well beyond what Panharmonium can achieve.

AND, as re-synthesis is ‘reasonably’ cheap computationally (as its just lots of sine waves), this side is definitely viable.

that said, bare in mind its lots of oscillators still, so you’d want them optimised.
(apparently Panharmonium uses 33 oscillators)

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Sounds like its better to just buy.

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What of Freudian slip? Do you know if it is available on metamodule? Side-question: why are there so many modules missing even though their plugins are available: Befaco Iroi and Oneroi for example or Nysthi. I have downloaded patches that have these but thw MM can’t find them. Also why so few effects? Can i buy a vcv plugin and ude on MM since it seems to lack so many effect plugins; I’m asjing in the hope that you might have recommendations.

It’s not. You can see all the modules available for the MetaModule here: MetaModule | ModuleFinder

You’ll see that there are 1,757 modules available, which is a lot! But there are 4,199 modules in the VCV Rack library, so most of those VCV modules haven’t been ported to the MetaModule. (And even that is overstating it, because there are 413 Airwindows modules on the MetaModule that are all bundled into one VCV module.)

A port of Iroi is in progress. I believe there was a licensing issue with Oneroi. It’s been discussed on this forum — try searching.

The NYSTHI collection is not open-source, which means only the creator can port them over. You could always email the creator and let them know you’d like to use their work on the MetaModule.

Only if it’s a plugin that has been ported to the MetaModule. There are lots of effects available – try searching for “delay” or “reverb” or “granular” on the module finder.

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I think this is a valid and important question, as its also sets expectation…

some module may be easier to port than others, and a bit like panharmonium, some may not be viable - and frankly, some (personal opinion) dont fit the form factor well.
(e.g. they rely heavily on mouse interface on the UI, or are extremely wide)

but it really, feeds into the broader question, why generally does X not exist on MM

Dan / 4ms have done a fantastic job at providing tools to make porting a module from the VCV desktop to the metamodule very easy
(and in fairness, VCV did a pretty good job at making vcv code be portable)

however
porting (aka converting/compiling) still does need to be done by someone.
and this means a few things:
the code is available to be compiled, or that ‘someone’ is the original developer.
that someone needs MM hardware (to at least test port)
this may be a trivial exercise, or tricky or nigh impossible (due to hardware constraints), this obviously affects the motivation do to this port.

then, lets be fair here, whilst there is an active and growing MM community, its pretty small / niche compared to the VCV desktop - and a lot of vcv users exist because (for whatever reason) they are not into hardware modular.

finally, vcv has been around now for over 7 years, even 2.0 is nearly 5 years old - so there are developers that have just ‘moved on’ from vcv to pastures new.


again, to be clear, Im frankly amazed at how many modules HAVE been ported… over 1000 is an amazing achievement, and its a testament on the efforts by both 4ms and the community.

I work on quite a few open source projects, and very few, have anywhere near this level of engagement… it was one thing getting this for vcv desktop which was free, but another for a paid hardware product !

ofc, everyone wants ‘more’ including (insert favourite vcv module here) but I just marvel at what we have …
so much so that Dann had to improve the module browser etc, to aid discovery because we have so much choice :slight_smile:

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One thing to also consider when thinking about porting, is licensing. Whilst many VCV Rack module developers use software licenses that allow their code to be redistributed, some licenses are restrictive when it comes to graphics and panel layouts. The Count Modula license works this way but when Dan approached me about publishing the suite of modules for the MM, I granted him permission to do so as I simply do not have the time to maintain it myself.

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